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I searched around on the forum and in berrinam's signature wiki link but found no answers. Would enabling it increase quality?

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27.02.20 - 17:17:32
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RE: What does "No DCT Decimation" do?

I asked this on their IRC channel and Manano (I think) said that it lets the encoder skip further consideration of a block under certain circumstances, sort of like the Fast P-Skip option. He said to enable it (i.e. disable DCT Decimation) if you are using Trellis (and you probably are).

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27.02.20 - 17:21:11
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So DCT Decimation is somewhat comparable to Fast P-Skip and is advisable to use then, thanks for the quick answer :). Time to go pester Sharktooth about profile updates then ;).

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27.02.20 - 17:25:13
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RE: What does "No DCT Decimation" do?

I've done some testing with No-DCT-Decimation in CQ mode, and it only makes the output bigger with little-to-no appreciable quality gain. But YMMV.

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27.02.20 - 17:30:54
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RE: What does "No DCT Decimation" do?

--same results as bkman, odd--

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27.02.20 - 17:40:46
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RE: What does "No DCT Decimation" do?

Nice, nice. Of course I don't expect a noticable quality change at a constant quantizer of 24, and no one switch (save for the super-important B-frame, cabac, etc) is expected to produce any easily discernable quality difference at a nice-looking constant quantizer anyways... So ya. Ya! PS: In my previous post, I was just "adding" my result to the others, but I misspelled "add" as "odd" on my Pocket PC... ;)

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27.02.20 - 17:50:52
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RE: What does "No DCT Decimation" do?

*bump* :p I'm reviewing my presets. We have now AQ and PSY RDO or FGO depending on the patched version we use. Before all these options I was using CQMs and/or low deblocking values. Now I don't need them, but --no-dct-decimate is still there on all my 'quality' presets. Does it make any sense to keep this option if I'm already using AQ and PSY RDO (or FGO)?

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27.02.20 - 18:00:22
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RE: What does "No DCT Decimation" do?

If you're using PsyRDO, it's advisable to use full trellis. And if you're using full trellis, I've heard it said before that --no-dct-decimate is a good idea. I believe it also helps a little with grain retention, but the difference is small. I definitely wouldn't use it on anime/cartoons, though.

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27.02.20 - 18:06:17
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